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Joe Forani

Congratulations Drew. So much of your story is so familar. My first marathon effort was pretty much the same as yours and for that matter so was my second - how many times is it going to take me to get it right. It's very frustrating wanting to break the 4:00 hour mark and not even coming close - what am I doing wrong? Well, I'm thinking I can beat myself up about it or just get out there and try again. So that's what I am going to do - next year things will be be different - more long training runs, better nutrition (prior to and during the race), better mental toughness - just to name a few. By the way, I do triathlons during the summer and I feel that the marathon training I do during the winter (Jan to May - did a 4:16 in Mississagua) sets up the triathlon season nicely. Enjoy your duathlons during the summer and riding with your wife and than ramp up the training again for a fall half marathon. I did two half marathons this fall and pb'd in yesterdays race - absolutely loved it - great way to finish off the running season. Congratulations again and take care.
Joe

Marky Mark

Hey Drew. Thanks for the plug!

I've only done one full (as the culmination of a cardiac rehab program that followed a hockey heart attack). As such I'm not an experienced marathoner but your analysis makes a ton of sense to me as a one time marathoner who can't spend every waking hour training for a race. It sounds like you didn't have enough of a training period and too few long runs.

If you choose to do another one you'll have to make the commitment to do the extra work. That commitment is a big deal given everything else you'd be juggling. Like you I found my long runs to be day killers once you include the stretching, icing, showering, eating and napping. Plus they tended to intrude as well on the prior evening as it's hard to go out for a feast and get to bed at 2am if you have 20 miles to do the next morning. That doesn't even account for family summer vacations and the imposition on the family of trying to fit in long runs in that environment.

I suppose another option is to take on a regular diet of 10K and halves. I may go that route as it's a more manageable goal and still takes care of fitness needs while having some fun in races. There always seems to be something close by that you can do-e.g., there is an 8K race this Saturday in Grimsby and even a companion 2K for the kids:

http://www.instride.ca/

If you do go for the goal of another full you may want to consider a couple of things: 1. a running group-I didn't do that but lots of people swear by it. 2. blogs-if you start clicking on the links to people who leave you comments and then read people's running blogs, you'll soon find there is quite a large online running blog community that represents a vast resource and also offers lots of support.

By the way your time is pretty good-you even beat Oprah:

http://completerunning.com/archives/2007/06/18/famous-celebrity-marathon-runners/

It's great to have a particular time as a goal but remember only very few people are able to stick to the commitment of training for and running the actual race, so don't beat yourself up. You did it. You ran your victory lap to celebrate the hard work.

Dave

Drew,

I looked for you but couldn't find you!

Your post race analysis is spot on. The weather was rough, but not unbearable, the downhill was there to use as wisely as you want, taking it easy down that hill was great advice from Mark which I held dear and am glad today that I did. I feel way better than I did after the Toronto Marathon 2 weeks ago.

More long runs, more core strengthening are a must. The weight loss will help a bit. I am trying to get from 192 to 180...it's damn hard! Yes, and practice long runs assuming the race may run out of Gatorade or equivalent. Gels can be your best friend out there!

Yesterday was my 7th, and I am still learning the ins and outs and I know there is always room for improvement. I want to run Boston and still need to knock 15 minutes off my current best time and I love the fact I get to train for another marathon and see what I can do about it.

Good luck with your next marathon. I am sure the experience from this one will help you reach your sub 4 hour goal.

Dave

Mark

Drew,
Congratulations on finishing your first marathon. i Have been following your blog with interest. I do not think that marathon training needs to take up as much time as you think...you just need to make better use of the limited time you have and to do that I would highly recommend the following book:

Runner's World Run Less, Run Faster: Become a Faster,Stronger Runner with the Revolutionary FIRST Training Program (Paperback)
by Ray Moss (Author), Scott Murr (Author), Bill Pierce (Author)

I have started to use this book's program and I have taken 10 minutes off my marathon time ( from 3;20 to 3:10)in the past year..and I am just like you...2 kids, full time job,pushing 40.I do almost all my training in the morning, before the family is awake...(they don't feel the effects of my training at all)...did my first marathon in 4:10 in 1998 , and have taken a full hour off that over the years. You can do it too, especially now that you have all that base training under your belt.I am not convinced that training for short course duathlons is that different from training for a marathon. i do triathlons as well (short course to ironman) and I find my marathon training invaluable, but vice-versa as well...the speed work for shorter triathlons pays off in the longer races. Please have a look at the book I have recommended....it will cahnge the way you see training.

M

Mark Collis

Great post race anallysis Drew.

Don't beat yourself up too baddly. There's a huge difference between the 30 km distance and a full marathon. It's that challenge of getting all the pieces in place and having it work that keeps bringing me back to the marathon distance.

Of all the race distances, the marathon is one that you have to respect. You can fake a 5 km (just show up and run with minimal preparation), some can fake a 10. Heck, I've faked the Bay a couple of years, but I had the base to do so. I've never been able to fake a marathon. Ever.

There are some lessons that can't be learned by word of mouth or advice. Some lessons must be learned through hard, sometimes brutal experience. The wall is one, energy managment and effort control are others. Only experience, training and a focused race plan can get you there.

A couple of other points of advice...

1) There is no shame in a marathon when you have to walk. In fact with a 4 hour goal, you should have been planning walk breaks into your race plan, and walk breaks right from the very start.

2) When you hit the wall, you HAVE to walk. Many people don't understand until they experience the feeling being so depleted that you can't run. When you get to that point, no amount of mental toughness is going to keep you going. I was close a couple times myself on Sunday, but I was able to have a firm conversation with myself and struggled through it. There have been other races where, WHAM! I'm so toasted that even walking is tough.

3) Everyone has tough bits on the longer races. Everyone. Part of being experienced is recognizing that you are having a tough patch and that if you just stay firm, you can usually come out of it in a few minutes. Just knowing that it's temporary is enough to help your resolve.

4) You didn't give up, you did what you came to do and you finished. On your first marathon (or your first time at any race distance for that matter), you should never set a time goal. Your goal is to first finish the race and second to experience what challenges you are going to encounter. It's that second race that you take the hard earned lessons and apply them towards a time goal.

I don't know if this will help but I've always found the following story very inspiring....

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In the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City, Tanzanian runner John Stephen Ahkwari was the last runner in the marathon.

He he had fallen shortly after the start of the race badly injuring his leg. He came in about an hour and a half after the winner, practically carrying his leg, as it was so bloodied and bandaged.

Film Director Bud Greenspan asked him, "Why did you keep going?"

He said, "You don’t understand. My country did not send me 5,000 miles to start a race, they sent me to finish it."

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And that in a nutshell, I think, captures the spirit of the marathon and what drives us to measure ourselves against the challenge.


Mark Collis
www.ontherun.ca

PS. Drew, if you are interested, feel free to drop me an email. We do once a week winter Around the Bay training runs starting in January. You might be interested in joining us and it would be a pleasure to meet you in person.


Marci

Great recount. I ran Hamilton as well, well done. I agree with most of what you said. I think they need to unleash the halfs later so that there are supplies for the full, this was irritating, but I guess its a new event so I'll cut it some slack. Awesome course, and congratulations on your first marathon.

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